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Ensuring Your Wellbeing Doesn't Suffer When Working Remotely

Ensuring Your Wellbeing Doesn't Suffer When Working Remotely

Webcast Details

  • Gallup Called to Coach Webcast Series
  • Season 8, Episode 16
  • Listen as Gallup experts on wellbeing and working remotely share strategies for maintaining your wellbeing -- all 5 elements of it -- as you work from home.
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Dr. Adam Hickman, Gallup's Content Manager, and Ryan Wolf, Gallup's Physical Wellbeing Lead, were our guests on a recent Called to Coach. Adam and Ryan shared timely insights on strategies you can use to maintain healthy wellbeing -- including Purpose, Social and Physical Wellbeing -- for yourself and your coworkers as you navigate the challenges of working remotely.

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Below is a full transcript of the conversation, including time stamps. Full audio and video are posted above.

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Jim Collison 0:00

I am Jim Collison and live from our Virtual Studios here, this is Gallup's Called to Coach, recorded on March 18, 2020.

Jim Collison 0:19

Called to Coach is a resource for those who want to help others discover and use their strengths. We have Gallup experts and independent strengths coaches share tactics, insights and strategies to help coaches maximize the talent of individuals, teams and organizations around the world. If you are listening live, there's a link to our YouTube instance -- our chat room is available, right above me there. Just click on that. It'll take you to YouTube. There's a chat room available; sign in with your Google account. Join us if you have questions. We'd love to hear those. If you're listening after the fact, send us an email for your questions: Don't forget, if you're on YouTube, subscribe. That subscribe button bottom right on the screen and click the notification bell, so you get notified whenever we go live and you always stay up to date. And if you're a podcast listener -- and all the cool kids are listening to podcasts these days -- just search "Gallup Webcasts" in any podcast platform. Dr. Adam Hickman and Ryan Wolf are our hosts today. Adam is Gallup's Content Manager and Ryan is Gallup's Physical Wellbeing Lead. Gentlemen, welcome to Called to Coach.

Ryan Wolf 1:13

Hey there.

Adam Hickman 1:15

Thanks, Jim.

Jim Collison 1:16

You bet. We, Adam, let's start with you. We spent some time on Friday, just kind of outlining -- we've posted two articles at around remote workers. And really, I think, for individuals, you got to stay close to us, especially in the space, because we're going to continue to publish a ton of information on this. Adam, give us a quick review -- quick review on Friday, and then talk a little bit about what we're gonna talk about today around this idea of wellbeing.

Adam Hickman 1:43

Yeah, so Friday, the webcast and the articles that came out are really about how do you manage your remote working team? I think this, this week alone, from what I've seen social platforms, everyone's talking about home offices, your setup. I mean, look at the backdrop for each of us. We're in dispersed areas, and how do I quickly assemble my tactics that I used to have in an office to a remote setting.

Adam Hickman 2:03

I was looking at our data this morning and we said in 2016, 20% of, of employees worked remotely 100% of the time. Well, boy, has that changed in the last 2 weeks. And another number I think to get to keep in mind is that 50% of employees clearly know what's expected of them. That was one of our reporting's findings as well. So we're already starting at the halfway marker. And one thing we can't let slip along the way, which has kind of inspired this, this article that Ryan and I partnered on was knowing that your leadership and your managers have clear plans for what's coming and how it's going to work. One of those things we can't let, we can't let go of is the wellbeing element. It not only shows about that needs of followers of putting some stability and hope and trust and compassion in the work that you do. But it's also knowing that the organization cares -- as important to you as an employee, but also as a person as well. So that started the conversation with Ryan. Ryan, you want to talk us through some of those points?

Ryan Wolf 2:55

Yeah, absolutely. So just to kind of -- to get a little bit deeper into the elements of wellbeing, you know, and I can I lead with the Physical element, but there's 4 other elements that really that Gallup has identified through the research, and those are the Career Wellbeing or Purpose Wellbeing; Financial; Community; and Social Wellbeing. So what I did in this article -- and I encourage you to read if you haven't yet -- is just I came up with 7 really kind of key items that we can think about during this current moment that can help us improve our Physical Wellbeing, which will cascade into those other elements.

Ryan Wolf 3:37

So, so I can kind of start off with with the first one, and it was exercise and working out. And really what's happening is, we're all just totally being thrown off of our game, right? Our routine and things have changed a lot. So what a lot of people are doing is just having to adjust and, and find ways to -- a lot of people are just having to workout at home. Some people can, you know, maybe go outside and get an extra exercise and things like that. But there's a lot of different resources you can, you can tap into. I would look into your local gyms. There's also a ton of great national worldwide websites that are hosting guided workouts or customized workouts that you can tap into. So those are great resources.

Ryan Wolf 4:25

But I'd also encourage you to think about other ways to get in physical activity. So in our modern world, physical activity has really been engineered out. So we're really kind of hyperfocused on, How do I get a workout in? Well, I think that's important. Going to the gym is important and "getting your sweat on" is great. But there's also other ways to get physical activity in that doesn't involve putting on your gym clothes. So things like cleaning your house really hard or taking your kids outside and going for a walk and just being with them -- them at the park. And doing those sort of things will add to your physical activity, and then maybe take away some of that, some of that anxiety you might have from missing your regular workout.

Jim Collison 5:07

Ryan, one of the things that's has been helpful to me on my Apple Watch, right, I have this activity tracker, right, that kind of gives me -- I have a baseline of information that I've been working at when I was at work. And I've really tried to set my patterns this week to match those at work. So what am I doing, how am I going to get those pieces in and close those rings -- I'm kind of a completist and, and so I like to make sure those things get done. That has also been helpful in this, in this, you know, in this change is to be able to take something that was similar, make it the same even though the environments have changed and to keep track of that.

Jim Collison 5:39

You mentioned most of the fitness companies have some kind of app that's available as well. You might want to, depending on the ecosystem, some of them even have workouts in them that you can do at home. So you don't have to have the gear to get it done. We at Gallup have kind of -- many of us are involved in a Peloton group. I don't have a Peloton bike but the, the Peloton app has lots of great workouts in it that I can do. None of them necessarily require equipment because I think that some people freaked out. It's like, Oh, I don't have a piece of workout gear in my house! Plenty of things you can do, right, that aren't necessarily around a piece of gear or weights, right?

Ryan Wolf 6:15

Yeah, absolutely. I was on a, on a text string with a couple buddies from work, who, just last night, we're talking about, Hey, what are -- what are you doing? How are you adjusting? We've kept, we've kept each other accountable for a lot of years. And we're just, you know, sharing creative ways. So I think reaching out and like tapping into that Social Wellbeing aspect and combining it with Physical Wellbeing is a smart move. So we're not just kind of doing this Physical Wellbeing on our own. We can do it together and, and do it through the support of others.

Jim Collison 6:46

Yeah, and let's be really clear about this. In some cases, you need to be creative about getting things done. And so it's looking into things. If you made an assumption about something like, "Oh, they don't do that." It might be time to double-check, right. The world is responding in some incredible ways at this point. And so it may be worth a little bit of extra looking to say, Oh, maybe this would work! Try a bunch of different things out; try, you know, now is this week is the time to try a bunch of things. Find that thing that works for you, and then try to replicate that activity. I think it's an awesome opportunity to get even more in than you did before because you've -- you don't have a commute time. So use that commute time that if you were struggling to get physical activity in at work, which many do, now you've got some commute time that's not there anymore.

Adam Hickman 7:30

Ryan, do you have some thoughts on -- I'm thinking, like, so, so being in a remote setting for a while now, there's some things you've given me just to keep in mind that feeds my Analytical or it's like, I'm gonna do it for the formula's sake; not for my health's sake. But I want to make sure my Competition kicks in too with that. Anything you can share, like, rule of thumb we should keep my being remote, not as a Analytical move, but just, just to be aware. Because all of this -- all those things are happening at once and this being one of the ones not to slip. I feel like is probably an easy one to slip because you got to get work done. So what are your -- what's your advice on that?

Ryan Wolf 8:05

Yeah, I would encourage you to think about working out differently. So it doesn't have to involve changing your clothes into gym gear; it doesn't have to involve setting aside a full hour to, to not be disturbed by your children or your spouse, right? That's basically gonna be impossible (unless you're waking up at 5 a.m. and getting in getting this done, which is really hard to do). We, hello, we also need our sleep as well. So, so I would encourage you to think about workouts totally differently than you have in the past. You can break them up into 10-minute segments. You can do them a lot differently than you've done in the in the past. If you used to go to a gym and use machines and barbells, you have a lot of resistance just in your own bodyweight and you can check -- you can check out those resources online that can put your body in different positions that you haven't done before. And you might find something that you might have really, truly needed and just have been ignoring in the past.

Jim Collison 9:06

Ryan, when we think about chores as an opportunity for fitness, can you talk a little bit more -- you alluded to it, would you talk a little bit more about it?

Ryan Wolf 9:13

Yeah, so the, so the actual, the action of taking on doing chores is a good extension of a workout. You might not sweat; you probably won't sweat unless your, your house is super filthy. But you can get some great physical activity, some non-exercise time, which will fill your circles, Jim. Plus the product of it is so refreshing and rewarding. So when you're done, you get to operate and live in an abode that's just, that's just clean. It's, it's easier to think and navigate your stre -- you're a little bit less stressed out about, you know, where are things and why are things out of place? So I'd just encourage you to, you know, do your daily stuff like tidy, tidy stuff up, mom, you know from time to time. But also find things like cleaning out your garage. Now's a great time to go do that. Or the closet that's been, you know, just overlooked for a few months and it's time -- or even a few years -- and it's time to get rid of some stuff. And taking on those projects will make you feel a whole lot better when you're done with it.

Jim Collison 10:20

Adam, let me ask you. You're full-time remote now. How do you -- are you incorporating as you, as you adapted to this, are those things -- fitness and, and the chores -- is that stuff you've already adapted to, and how are you doing it?

Adam Hickman 10:33

Yeah, and I'm gonna do it through strengths, right. So what I was gonna say is, Ryan, are you telling me I got to park my Roomba? Is that what you're getting at?

Ryan Wolf 10:41


Adam Hickman 10:42

OK, fine. I use things in the house as a way to remind myself to get up. So if I set the clothes on the dryer for an hour, I know in an hour I got to get up. If I've got to move them from the washer, that is a tactic. If, if I, if -- I used to have a Mr. Coffee warmer thing in here but if a cold cup, that requires me to get up and move. So it's almost you intuitively have to build things in that's going to cause you to move. Kind of like, you know, cleaning out your closet. Well that's a great activity at night. And then if you think of throughout the day, what are intentional steps that can happen that can move you. Because from our strengths research, right, you get into that "flow" mindset when you're, when you're jamming, and you look down, it's 1:00 and then you look down, it's 4:00, your window's missed. And you might even not even know about it. But if you install those things that require you to get up that are -- you know, of your 5 senses, that I've got to do something, remove something -- I think that's a great opportunity for.

Jim Collison 11:35

It does give us a great, a great space to begin to think of -- if we're going to look about the -- look at these things all day. On Monday, that was my job, was like, OK, now that I'm really doing this all day -- not just one day working from home; that was completely different. It was like, I'm gonna look at this all the time. I better make some permanent changes for now to make things different. Ryan, I'm, I'm down -- I don't see a lot of sun. In fact, I set up a webcam facing out my window that I, that I look at that's like a window here on the desk. That was one of my little secrets. Like, if I have to be down here in the office, I at least want to see what's going on outside. How important is sunlight and getting out into the sun in this?

Ryan Wolf 12:10

It's huge. I'm just, I'm such a proponent of getting outside if we can, and hopefully we can still do that in the weeks and months to come. So getting outside is important. Also just bringing the sunlight in; opening the shades and, and getting that sunshine in is important for your body to know what time of the day it is. So when it's, when it's sun, when it's sunny out, it hits your optic nerve and it, it starts regulating those processes that we do when we're up and we're active and we're working. And when the sun starts to go down, that starts to send a signal that it's time to wrap it up for the day. And then we'll be more ready for bed once that time comes.

Jim Collison 12:50

You mentioned cycles. When we think about our work cycles, how do we -- it's gonna be different, maybe, at home, or right, they've been disrupted in some way. How do we handle those work intervals?

Ryan Wolf 13:02

Yeah, well, I think, you know, finding a different location for, for different types of work is important. So you're not just -- so Adam's got -- not everybody's gonna have a souped-up office like Adam Hickman right now. Because not everybody's been working from home. So be adaptable. Think about where you can, where in the house you can get stuff done. You might be able to read outside, even. So, so, so think about, you know, I, so there's probably -- a lot of us have probably spent a day or more working from home. But if you are just locked and loaded in like your kitchen table, maybe think about where you can do your work elsewhere.

Jim Collison 13:45

Well, and I think -- and Adam this may be for you too; I may have to go the opposite. I'm down in the -- this office all the time. I should probably take my laptop at lunch, or after lunch, and maybe start after lunch at the kitchen table because I'm not up there right now. And that might break that up for me. Adam, do you do anything to break it up during the day?

Adam Hickman 14:04

Yeah, so I'm wearing a coat not because it's cold, it's cold in the house. But I have the window open just to get fresh air in here nonstop. With with a wireless headset, don't sit in the meetings; get up and walk around. That's what you've got space to -- move -- if you've got a kitchen table, make that be where you check emails and then move to another spot in the house where you can do something else different. Luckily, it's starting to warm up a little bit in certain places that, that you can get out as well.

Jim Collison 14:28

I'm gonna try to do that. I'm going to add that. Because I haven't done that in the 3 days I've been down here. And also try to get out where I can stand. Like I don't -- this is not a standing desk. And so now I need to start thinking, like, OK, what's the next thing to add? Ryan, I'm doing it in a way where I'm trying to add little bits every day instead of trying to do everything all at once. Part of that is connecting with people. Like I couldn't connect with everybody on Monday. So I've been doing it throughout the week, as we've been progressing, different people every day. What else -- when we think about a "social lift"; when we think about the social component, what other advice would you give in that to keep our wellbeing high?

Ryan Wolf 15:03

Yeah, I would encourage sharing good news, right? So I'm on a big family tech string. And they're, they're kind of guilty of, Oh my gosh, the next -- our school's closed for the rest of this -- the year, and we might be in our homes until May! And -- so what I add and contribute to that group is good news. So photos of my, my youngest son, he's almost 2 years old, and just kind of waves of happiness in, in the terms like -- as there's just so much bad news flowing in. Also, just, just being connected and staying connected with people. I just want you to think about that as part of your health routine. It's, it contributes greatly to our immunity and how we can bounce back and heal, heal quickly from things like sickness. So, so going to the gym; getting good sleep; eating, eating properly is important. But getting that daily dose of social wellbeing is just as, just as critical to your wellbeing and your, and your fulfillment in life as, as the others.

Jim Collison 16:14

And we'll say, Adam, before you go, we'll say, sometimes going to the gym is on your back deck or is in your backyard or is in whatever, right, maybe in your garage, those kinds of things. We know throughout the country, availability to go different places is different. Lots of places are closed, and you can't do those anymore. So you have to turn those -- your, your own home gym. Adam, how are you -- you're, you do this full time. We mentioned on Friday's webcast, you and I intentionally connect. You used to sit next to me in the office and then you moved. Thank you for that. Thanks, Obama. And so you -- we still have to stay connected virtually. How do -- what's your best advice on that? How do people continue to do that?

Adam Hickman 16:56

Every time you think you need to send an email, challenge yourself. Can I just call them? Or putting things in place of, like, I was meeting with one of our internal partners yesterday that we're working on something together. And I just said, I'd ask you, ask, don't email me at all. Just text me or call me and let's FaceTime; let's do Teams, calls, something of that sort where we can interact that way. It's almost, you've got to share some competition. Don't slow down, shift gears to a different route, right? And think of, I'm not going to see everybody every day. How else can I still do that?

Adam Hickman 17:28

And the point I wanted to make too, Ryan, you had mentioned about coaches, managers, you've got some other opportunities to make some differences with those that don't have a family that live alone, right? They're in this spot of isolation that they need a social lift as well, probably even more because they don't have an opportunity to turn around and walk out and see family. Or if they don't have a pet or something in the house where they have some sort of connection as well, being aware of how they're set up is awesome.

Adam Hickman 17:58

I read a study last night on -- I was trying to dig into what's the best optimal space in your house to work? Like what what has somebody totally nerded out on, on this? Here's what I found. Second-floor story if you've got one, outward-facing where you can see life existing, which could be mail carriers, garbage collectors, squirrels, trees, something that you can just lean back, look and see life. That's, that's a little bit of a social lift. And I think it's, it should be our requirement, our expectation of holding -- only it, not only as a coach, but as a manager as well is, How are you set up? Are you, you know, like, Jim, I'm gonna have to call you now more and say, "What's going on inside your digital window, man?" Or I would call you and say, "Go outside for a minute, and call me back!"

Jim Collison 18:45

I saw some birds earlier moving around out there. And it was, it was pretty cool. A good, a good replacement for it. We also want to say --

Ryan Wolf 18:52

One other quick thing about OK, go ahead.

Jim Collison 18:54

No, go ahead.

Ryan Wolf 18:55

I just want to say, you know, for the "social lift," we're, we're all going through these changes and getting adjusted at our house. So I think it just allowing people some grace, and really practicing kindness, and, and allowing them the adaptability to get, you know, have some time to, to get their feet settled under them. For those who haven't been working remotely, this is a shock. So if we're just, you know, really nice and kind to each other, it's going to help a lot.

Jim Collison 19:25

Yeah, let me say this. This recording is going to live a lot longer than the current situation we're in. And, but the world's changing a little bit. And I think we're never going to go back as far as it was 2 weeks ago. And so there may be some advice we've given where things have changed, and there's some new opportunities. The fact is, if you're a remote worker, or you're a manager of remote workers, you've got some new challenges with them. And I think there's some great advice in this, whether we're in this situation that's going on right now in March of 2020, or 2 years from now. Still, we still have some of the same challenges. So let me just preface it with that. Ryan, when we think about goal and goal-setting, like, we all set a whole bunch of goals at the beginning of the year. And now this kind of throws a wrench into that. And as we, as we reflect on those, what's some advice around -- what do we do now? Do we throw all those goals out the window? Or what do we do? Well, Adam can, because his window's open. How do we do it?

Ryan Wolf 20:17

Yeah. How helpful, Adam! Very strategic of you! No, we just need, we just honestly need to adjust. And we need to, this is actually a good time, I think, for us to have some time alone and to analyze what is truly most important in our life. And, and furthermore, I think it's, it's, it's important to get off social media and maybe close down email for a second. And really get deep into your thoughts and into your work as well. And understand what you want out of your life. And there's, that's just one tactic of doing so and, you know, there's a lot of talk now about mindfulness and, and meditation and that's, that's been coming on strong over the last few years, and there's a lot of different ways to do it. And there's a lot of resources you can do it.

Ryan Wolf 21:08

And it doesn't, it, it's not the same thing for everybody. You don't have to sit down and cross your legs and point your hands up to the sky. You can follow a guided mindfulness session or just honestly sit quietly. And probably not many people have done this, but think of the last time you just sat in a quiet room. Perhaps it was dark and just sat there and thought. Your phone was away from you; your computer was, was not available and you were just sitting there and thinking in deep mode. So that's just a way to kind of get away and reflect on our, on our life.

Jim Collison 21:48

The -- when we think about that goal, the goal-setting, the reflection, a reminder, every Theme Thursday for Season 5 and Season 6 have a talent-mindfulness exercise at the end of them. So, shameless plug for that. We didn't know this was gonna happen. But, but Ryan, is there -- you could, you can go and listen to those for your themes and then have these exercises. And they're available there at the very end. What about -- OK, so there's some things where, you know, things are closing; restaurants are going carry out; some are closing down; we've got to get groceries and stuff. Any final thoughts on -- we got to eat? So how do we get, like what do we do to get food in here? What are some, what are some options that are available?

Ryan Wolf 22:31

So obviously in the, in the article I referenced grocery delivery, which is great. It's also getting slammed right now. So I can't wait to see the data coming back on that. So you might, if you're thinking about grocery delivery, you might want to, you might want to do that right now because you might not be able to get a delivery or even a pickup today or tomorrow or anytime soon. But when you go to -- obviously when you go to the grocery store, get more than your just your your standard fare, so you don't have to go back as frequently. Obviously, it's a place of high freq -- you know, a lot of people. So increased chance of, of sharing germs.

Ryan Wolf 23:11

So also, you know, Jim, we talked about frequenting the, our local, our local places that serve food, so our restaurants that are really -- they're pivoting and changing the way that they can -- what they're delivering, and I would, I would -- there's, there's ton of lists out there if you just look locally. And you can, you can support them and get that sense of Community -- which is really, which is one of those 5 elements that I mentioned earlier -- and support those around us.

Jim Collison 23:43

Maika got a Chipotle, I think, one of those Qdoba delivery for lunch yesterday. And they're offering -- many restaurants are offering free. And the person who came had gloves, handed it around, like, we're not, you know, being very, very careful in this, and we got to, I mean, we need to be that way. But I think there's some opportunities there. I do like how people are responding, at least here in the United States, where some grocery stores are starting to think through different hours for the elderly, so they can come in and be able to get their stuff.

Jim Collison 24:12

I was out the other day, and it's, it's that, that part's kind of slowing down a little bit, at least here. And, and things were available. So your, your area might vary. I know for me, it's caused me to think my lunch -- I always used to buy it at Gallup. We had a cafeteria.

Adam Hickman 24:26

I miss that.

Jim Collison 24:26

I'm gonna save a ton of money, like. Yeah, but I'm going to save a ton of money. Adam, how are you -- you're home; you're remote? What do you do about lunch? And how do you handle that?

Adam Hickman 24:35

Yeah, and I'm combating 3 kids as well. Right. So my wife's working from home now; we've got 3 kids. And the, the niceness to the grocery pickup was what I would say. We don't have deliveries. So I'm kind of seeing some chatting back and forth there as, we might not have the delivery to here, but we can go pick it up from the store in the parking lot, right. And what we've decided is, I'm very clear about who -- you know I mean, everything in here about It's the Manager, right? So my manager knows, Hey, our schedule looks like this for today, right? Priorities are this; I'll get this accomplished, but I've got to do it within these boundaries. Because that's how my days will look like right now with everything that's going on. So at lunchtime, it's, What do we need, you know, kind of just plan it out through Ryan's, you know, I almost said "Ryan's expectations of what I eat."

Jim Collison 25:22

They are. He's disappointed ...

Adam Hickman 25:26

But his advice on what those food groups are, and that to keep it social and keep it active. I'm not just the one making it because I'm a horrible cook. And I know that. But the kids are involved with it. And it's that it's, it's a now another social piece of what it is; not just dinner that we're all cooking together; it's also lunch now as well. And so how do you -- how do you keep all of these of what Ryan has talked about even ingrained into just that short period of time?

Jim Collison 25:52

Let me -- Alicia has got a question here. That's not the right one, because it moved. Let's do that one. How do we keep our teammates/staff that have strengths that need face time? (You're looking at one of them right here.) An example, one of my teammates has Relator (Woo does too). Guys, Ryan, when we think about some new exercises, what kind of things can we do that -- now that we can't literally do face to face, what kind of things can we do that mimic that face to face?

Ryan Wolf 26:16

Yeah. So we can get together on video or we can, at the end of the day, share with your best friends what you've done; what, what your contribution was. And that's a great lift, because, because I get, I get a little inspired by what my friends are doing as well. And not just -- there's also the accountability piece, right? Like I can't let them down because I know that they're kind of relying on me as well. Adam, thoughts on, on lack of face time when we're, when we're not together?

Adam Hickman 26:49

I go right to, How do you get the biggest emotional high, like right now? And for folks that have that relationship feeling, I've started even text message to say, "Nothing's needed! Just wanted you to let you know I'm thinking about you." And you get, you know, the I love the new thumbs-up things on Apple's phones because it's like, "I'm not gonna respond to you but I'm gonna respond to you." I'm good with that! But it's, it's the intentionality of, of ensuring they felt -- they feel seen, and I would even say heard, at those low peaks.

Jim Collison 27:21

We, on Friday, we gave the advice -- you gave the advice -- about incorporating socializing into meetings. And I think that, that goes without -- that we should probably mention that here as well. We are intentionally at Gallup starting our meetings with 5 minutes of a "Focus on You" or 5 minutes of intentional social. Now, we do that pretty well anyways; that kind of happens in our meetings when we're in person. But sometimes these virtual sessions can be, can be kind of stiff and rough. And, you know, also, when you don't have the right equipment, it makes it difficult. Today, good luck finding a webcam today! They'll come back in stock at some point, like, those got all bought out too.

Jim Collison 27:59

But I think maybe making those face-to-face connections on video, good audio, and then making sure you're having some social time as well, talking about those things. Ryan, you might -- you might recommend we talk about some of those wellbeing or fitness goals in them. How's your fitness going? How is the walks? Are you getting out? Did you see the sun today? Those might all be questions, right, that we might want to ask each other.

Jim Collison 28:21

We do have an opportunity to shift some things, too, where, like, during the middle of the day when the sun is up, it may be a great opportunity to go out and enjoy an extended period of time out on the deck, getting some sun, making up that time later in the evenings. Right? So, guys, final, any final thoughts as we kind of bring this thing in for a landing? Ryan, I'll start with you. Any final things of encouragement you want to give to the listeners?

Ryan Wolf 28:45

Yeah, I would just encourage people to keep extending kindness and flexibility for your partners at work, and also your family members at home. We're all going through some just a lot of different changes and, and a lot of adjustments. And if we allow each other space and time to, to really figure out what our new routine is going to be, we're all going to be a lot less stressed out about it.

Jim Collison 29:12

Yeah. Ryan, what's your Top 5?

Ryan Wolf 29:13

Discipline, Achiever, Futuristic, Activator and Harmony.

Jim Collison 29:17

That's so awesome! And Adam, what's your Top 5?

Adam Hickman 29:21

Ideation, Command, Analytical, Competition and Individualization.

Jim Collison 29:25

And they play into as well. Adam, as -- any final thoughts as being the resident expert in this, both because you work in it and you write about it? What would you say?

Adam Hickman 29:35

I will shut off my Roomba. I will start with that, right. And, and have the "boundary" conversation with your managers on when, when work is; when work's not. And put an intentional structure in place -- this is analytical reflection time. Use the "If, then" statements. If this happens, then this happens. If -- if lunch is at noon, then this will be place. Right? Use that time of "If, then" statements to help prepare for the -- you don't need to do an "If, then" statement for the month; do it day by day. Last night, I was sitting with my wife, saying, "Let's look at our schedules, line up, what do we got?" Right, use Analytical; she's got Developer. We're back and forth on how it is.

Adam Hickman 30:13

If you're, if you're living alone, if there's no one in the house, right, we all report with somebody or you've got best friends at work, or you've got an opportunity now to make some new connections. Leverage those as your "If, then" pieces to stay connected and then to share, as Ryan said, kind of your wellbeing tactics.

Jim Collison 30:31

Awesome. My advice would be, like voting in Chicago, vote early and vote often. And make sure you're meeting with people often. Like it's, it's, I think, if you're thinking it -- we said this on Friday as well -- if you're thinking about someone, don't, don't send them an email, actually give them a ping. "Hey, you got a few minutes to talk?" And I think getting them on video and having those conversations. I've actually prioritized -- my workstation is here. My -- our Teams is prioritized on a big monitor right above it, so that when I'm looking at people, it feels like they're right here with me. Not a little tiny screen, but the biggest screen I could get is the one I put them on. So appreciate it. Ryan, Adam, thanks for coming out today to be a part of this quick message. Again, the links for those articles will be in the, will be below in the show notes when we publish this. I've been putting them in the chat room as well. So if you're watching this on YouTube, you can go out, take a look.

Jim Collison 31:21

Don't forget, we have tons of resources on And we have gone over -- on overdrive in writing about this. We've got some survey information coming out about it. Adam, you got some stuff, I'm sure, that's queued up and ready to go.

Adam Hickman 31:32


Jim Collison 31:33

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Adam Hickman's Top 5 CliftonStrengths are Ideation, Command, Analytical, Competition and Individualization.

Ryan Wolf's Top 5 CliftonStrengths are Discipline, Achiever, Futuristic, Activator and Harmony.

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